Thursday, March 11, 2010

The Literal Bible Truth

Agnostics, Atheist, Anti-theist, Brights and now the Jews. Reading a thread at RFM, I clicked on the link and to my absolute surprise…proof that the bible is fiction.

Well, maybe not proof but certainly a step in the right direction. Someone else said it but I will repeat it here: I can’t wait to hear the Christians claim they know more Jewish history than the Jews.

Abraham, the Jewish patriarch, probably never existed. Nor did Moses. The entire Exodus story as recounted in the Bible probably never occurred. The same is true of the tumbling of the walls of Jericho. And David, far from being the fearless king who built Jerusalem into a mighty capital, was more likely a provincial leader whose reputation was later magnified to provide a rallying point for a fledgling nation.

The notion that the Bible is not literally true ''is more or less settled and understood among most Conservative rabbis,'' observed David Wolpe, a rabbi at Sinai Temple in Los Angeles and a contributor to ''Etz Hayim.'' But some congregants, he said, ''may not like the stark airing of it.'' Last Passover, in a sermon to 2,200 congregants at his synagogue, Rabbi Wolpe frankly said that ''virtually every modern archaeologist'' agrees ''that the way the Bible describes the Exodus is not the way that it happened, if it happened at all.'' The rabbi offered what he called a ''litany of disillusion'' about the narrative, including contradictions, improbabilities, chronological lapses and the absence of corroborating evidence. In fact, he said, archaeologists digging in the Sinai have ''found no trace of the tribes of Israel -- not one shard of pottery.''


Rick B said...

You can try and say, I glad the Bible is not real because a Jew said it was not real. Before you and all other God hater get tossed into the lake of fire You can say to yourself for all of eternity, I'm not really here because I dont believe in hell and some mormon told me it's not true.

I'm not one bit surprised a Jew said this, 99 percent of Jews over in Israel are not believers and denied Christ when he was here. So No I wont argue over this, I will simply say the author is like you, A reject-er and the Bible says people like you will exist. Rick b

Interested said...

Rick I'm not a god hater...can't hate what doesn't exist.

My point in this post my be a bit obscure so I will try to explain my thoughts:

As I understand it, there are at least two types of bible believers, those that take the bible literally and those who see it as a group of inspired stories.

I would like to see more people look at the bible as allegory and not as real events and real places. There are many good stories in the bible which, like Aesops Fables, have a lesson to live by. I see nothing wrong with using those stories in that way. The danger comes when people really believe that it is literally true.

Rick b said...

How can you say that these things are not true, when we can prove from history that these people and places did and do exist.

Then you can say your not a God hater, but according to the Bible you are. You can say you dont hate what does not exist, but you sure go out of your way and go to great lengths to talk about a person that does not exist and try and prove that a person you do not believe in does not exist.

Here is a question for you, How come people who claim Jesus is not real use His name as a swear word, Yet you never hear people get mad or bang their finger or do something stupid and say, O Budda, Or O Smith, as in Joseph Smith, Or O Allah, or any other person, It is always O Jesus, Or O Christ, or anything along that lines.

For people who claim God is not real, you guys sure talk about Him or Mock Him or use His name as a swear word an awful lot.

You can say you think this Idea is stupid or flawed, But I do see web sites or blogs devoted to proving Santa is not real. I dont believe in Santa, the Tooth fairy or the Easter bunny, But I dont spend my life writing about how these people or creatures dont exist.

You might not agree, but I see people like you as God haters since your always talking about a person you deny exists as being hateful and acting as if He is real, since you try and dis prove a person that you say does not exist. Rick b

Interested said...

Did you read the article? I think it state that archeologist have been looking and not found support for some of the bible stories.

Rick you have your faith and I appreciate that. You believe. I am not trying to change that. What I do is for my own amusement as it relieves stress and allows me a forum for saying whatever I like.

I enjoy your comments when they are relevant but if you go off on the "you're going to hell" tangent it starts to get boring. I get it; you think I am going to hell; 'nuff said. I would rather read you opinion on the topic.

You asked me about swearing and I will answer that in another post.

Rick b said...

Since you say a Jew said their is Zero evidence, then I guess you can believe him or look at the facts. Here is one link that shows evidence that he claims does not exist.

Then many Non-believers have said their is evidence that Noahs ark has been found, Yet I have meet many people that are atheists that have said, even if they pulled noahs ark into the street for them to see they would still deny the Bible.

Is simple, some people no matter how much evidence refuse to believe, 1 because they in fact do hate God. And 2, do not want to be held accountable to anyone.

Also I have shown that 2 guys used the Bible and followed what it said and proved the ship Paul was on and ship wrecked existed. Thats plenty of proof.

But here is more, The Bible speaks of a one world government and one world religion thats coming, and taking the mark of the beast. I know that the non-religion person wrote on the mark of the beast as a bunch of crap.

So in your words, How do you explain this as being false when almost every president of our country and many leaders of foreign country's speak about having a one world government and one world religion to rule us. Funny how were headed to this one world movement that the Bible speaks of, yet these people that deny the Bible are speaking of going towards this movement.

I see bumper stickers for a global movement. The dollar is being so devalued that pretty soon we wont have any choice but to have a global money.

Then even though Jews Deny Jesus as the messiah, They have the Temple Mount institute, you can google it for more info. The Bible speaks about how the Jews in the last days will have a world leader that brings "Peace" to the middle east and allows the Jews to re build their temple.

The Jews will tell you they have everything all ready to build their temple and it will only take 3 months to fully build it once they get the go ahead.

This is spoken of in the Bible and is coming to pass. My pastor has been to Israel 12 times and has toured the Temple mount institute. The Bible tells us that once the anti christ enters this temple to desecrate it the whole entire world will see it.

200 years ago this was not possible, but now with global TV it is possible, and the Jews have the stuff to include cable tv hook ups so the whole world can see what will take place in the temple.

Funny how all this is taking place yet this is still not good enough evidence for you. I know you or Non will find ways to say this is bogus, thats fine. But it's evidence that can be seen. And I will be taking a tour to Israel, Greece and Turkey around October 2011. If your still alive I will post Photos of all this evidence. Rick b

Rick b said...

Interested, Another thought to ponder is this, The mark of the beast. The Bible tells us every one must take it in order to buy and sell, For some reason everyone who looks to discredit this or almost everyone claims the mark is a number in the hand or head. The Bible does speak of the number 666, but the Bible does not say that we will have to take the number 666.

Were not told in the Bible exactly what the mark is, But funny how today scientists are working on a computer chip the size of a grain of rice, they say that this will solve the problems we face today, like it will have GPS tracking in it so kids that are missing or kidnapped can be tracked.

It will store all our money so we will solve the problems of muggings, and it will solve the cash carrying and card carrying issues. The Bible speaks of a cashless society and this computer chip will solve that.

This is being spoken of today, and these scientists that speak of this say for some strange reason after much testing the best 2 places to place this chip are in the Right hand or the forehead. Again, funny how the Bible speaks of this, we see all this stuff being openly spoken of and yet many refuse to say, wow, the Bible clearly speaks of this, yet they avoid the obvious connection to the two. Rick b

Nicole said...

I'm going to check out the article and look up some other things in regards to this post. But what Rickb said is true. Sadly, a lot of the Jewish people are athiests. They expect their traditions to save them and they denied the true Messiah when the came.


Rick b said...

Nicole, Interested thinks since A jew Denys the Bible the Bible must be wrong. Well you cannot simply say, I believe I have a million dollars in the bank, so because I believe it, it must be true. Or I can fly like the Birds, I really believe I can, So you jump of a 100 story building, Guess what? your gonna die. Rick b

Interested said...

Rick you make my point for me: You can't just say ther is a god in heaven and expect me to believe it; it just ain't so...

Rick B said...

Interested That was why I said everything I did about the one world government and the mark of the beast.

It is called prophecy and were seeing it come to pass, it's evidence and even thought you see it unfolding before your eyes you still reject it. Rick b

Interested said...

So why worry about it? If your predictions are true, you and those like you are saved. Personally, it is not high on my priority list. I am more concerned with the harm that can come from these types of conspiracy theories.
“Michael Barkun, have expressed concern that right-wing conspiracy theories about a New World Order have now not only been embraced by many left-wing conspiracy theorists but have seeped into popular culture, thereby inaugurating an unrivaled period of people actively preparing for apocalyptic millenarian scenarios in the United States of the late 20th and early 21st centuries. Political scientists warn that this mass hysteria may not only fuel lone-wolf terrorism but have devastating effects on American political life, such as the far right wooing the far left into joining an insurrectionary national-anarchist movement capable of subverting the established political powers.”

It seems to me that some people just like to stir up trouble…they aren’t happy until they have half the world scared to move a muscle and the other half keeping them scared.

Nicole said...

Temple relics unearthed [Excerpts]

Israeli archaeologists [on February 23, 2009] announced the discovery of a large building dating to the time of the First and Second Temples associated with Hezekiah, the King of Judah.

The Israeli government's Antiquities Authority oversaw the excavation in the southern Jerusalem village of Umm Tuba. The agency said its archaeologists unearthed the remains of an ancient building consisting of several rooms arranged around a courtyard, containing pottery and other artifacts from the First and Second Temple Periods.

The finds include official government seals bearing the names of Ahimelekh ben Amadyahu and Yehokhil ben Shahar, who were high-ranking officials in Hezekiah's government. The life of Hezekiah, the son of King Ahaz is detailed in the biblical books of Kings, Isaiah and Chronicles. Hezekiah was the 13th king of independent Judah.

Archaeologists also found a Hebrew inscription - dating 600 years after the Kingdom of Judah seals - on a fragment of a jar neck, characteristic of the beginning of the Hasmonean period. The ancient building was partially destroyed during the Babylonian conquest of Jerusalem.

The finds are the latest in a mountain of unearthed remains giving a clearer picture of the Jewish presence in Jerusalem during the First and Second Temple periods. Still, the Palestinian Authority, which seeks control of the Temple Mount and eastern Jerusalem, steadfastly denies the Jewish temples ever existed.

Anonymous said...

Rick B, are seriously making your arguement off of how people curse?? Ignorance isn't bliss, wake up and observe the world we live in!